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samkinard3
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USA
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Posted - Dec 18 2011 :  3:20:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello to all I am at Stage IV COPD and also have had my right upper lobe removed due to sarcoidosis I am on O2 24/7, I NEED TO STOP SMOKING! as we all know nicotine is a drug and very addictive I smoke menthol for over 20 years now ,and I need some support to QUIT.

CarolCA
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USA
3366 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2011 :  3:31:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are some on-line groups that might help but probably better if you check with your local hospital and see if there are any groups they have. As someone that smoked for 53 years non=stop I know how addictive it is but I found that the habit was far more addicting than the tobacco. A couple days of the patch and that was it as far as the nicotine. Changing my routine starting with no smoking in car, house, don't carry the cigarettes and little by little it was less conventient to smoke. I got to the point where I actually had to "remember" it was time to have a cigarette my brain was turning off to them. None of my friends smoked either, they had all quit and I figured I was just as smart as they were and if they could I could and frankly it was not hard once I decided to quit. I was down to one cigarette and said "OK, that is it, will save that for morning" of course I didn't but I never bought another one. It is 90% mental, I guarantee that. Had I not stopped I feel strongly I would be dead or at least on O2 24/7 and not leading a very fun life.
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Bo H
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USA
1128 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2011 :  4:58:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sam
Sorry buddy, but the only good help is you. No one else can do it for you. If you want to continue living the good life stop. There is a lot of stuff you can buy but in the end you have to want to stop.
Get all the hype about nicotine being a drug and very addictive out of your mind and throw the cigarettes down.

Bo in Al
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rosytomato
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USA
1340 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2011 :  6:34:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
samkinard3,

Bo H is right. You have to just set it in your mind and just STOP. It is very hard, but after the first two weeks of wanting to jump out the window, it got better. It's almost three months now for me. It's still hard, I'd be a liar if I said otherwise.

Buy lollipops, chew gum, chew on drinking straws, (that one helped me a lot) and any kind of menthol hard candy. You CAN do it. Just pick a date and from that day on, no smoking.

Rosy

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PennyPA
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USA
5819 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2011 :  6:50:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You have copd and cancer and you still want to smoke??? Whew! That takes some guts, for sure.

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CarolCA
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USA
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Posted - Dec 18 2011 :  8:40:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sarcodosis is not cancer, Penny. It is an auto-immune disease that often affects the lungs with tumors but can affect all parts of the body. I agree though that with only one lung, regardless of the reason, smoking is certainly the worst thing a person can do to themselves. One lung to go.
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PennyPA
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USA
5819 Posts

Posted - Dec 19 2011 :  12:35:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for bringing my attention to this, Carol, re: the sarcodosis.

Sam, after a correction by CarolCA, I did some further research into methotrexate at http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a682019.html#why and see that it can be used for diseases other than cancer so forgive me for jumping the gun.

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onlyme_166
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Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  10:45:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I mean realy now.........why dont you quit at your funeral,shouldn't be to hard...
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samkinard3
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USA
9 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  12:18:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
onlyme 166: I can say that "I do have the desire to STOP smoking" . When I die it will not be from the effects from smoking! as for your comment....
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PennyPA
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USA
5819 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  12:26:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sam, you don't need the DESIRE to quit smoking; you have the NEED to quit smoking. I realize it's harder for men usually because they aren't as strong as women but I bet if you set your mind to it, you can quit...maybe.

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onlyme_166
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84 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  12:41:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
your treating this as if smoking and copd is an achievement....
nothing to be proud off.........but hey you the man.....smoke away baby......
there are people on this site that that is in serious trouble,and you think it's a game ...."desire to stop""copd stage iv" blah blah blah.......
anyhow, how the rest of the inmates doing....well..I hope.
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SEW4no
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137 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  12:49:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sam, everyone is different about why they continue to smoke. It is not all about physical addiction (I will not argue with people, but I don't buy into it.)
Zillions of people have made 1- 30 attempts to quit before they are successful and then there are some who relight at some point.

For me, I feel it is a choice and part of that decision is whether I have something that is meaningful to me in the future that I want to attain and could not if I continued to smoke and decline in health. Not everyone has family, friends, support systems to work with them (not 'at' them) to attain their goal. And not everyone has any goals left to work toward.

So perhaps you might make a list of pros and cons about what smoking does for you. On the con side be sure to list the facts about end-stage symptoms and what care you would need and who would provide it and can you afford it.....

Just wanted to offer you some thoughts and let you know that you are not the first or the last that will grapple with this. I do read stories on other forums where people are quite honest about how many years they continued to smoke in spite of their decline. Some regret it, some don't, some accept it, some rant and rave at others who continue. You are an adult and should never be spoken to or treated like a naughty child. Good luck in your journey.
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Bo H
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USA
1128 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  1:29:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are so right SEW4no. If you have something to live for and really think about it you can just throw the cigs away.. I am lucky in that I quit cold turkey 2 years before I was diagnosed as severe with a fev1 of 30%. I had a wife and 3 Kids at the time. By quiting I am able to be alive to see my 5 Grand kids and My 7 Great Grand kids and for them to know me. Quiting is well worth it.....

Bo in Al
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valerie
Member

USA
59 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  3:05:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I sympathize with anyone who comes here looking for support in quitting smoking. You can get plenty of responses any time smoking is brought up, but it sometimes takes a rookie to point out that we are all adults and don't need to be treated like we're naughty children when we have problems. I first came here 3 years ago hoping for some kind of supportive conversation about how to live with COPD, but once I shared that I was having a problem quitting smoking, there wasn't really much in the way of the conversation, just a lot of what felt like attacks for my weakness. I haven't logged in for so long that I had to re-register because I threw away my password. I still "lurk" every day because there are some very good and kind people here. I just have to skim over and ignore posts from those who are such experts that they forget they are talking to new people who are scared to death already.

I finally figured out that if I wanted to continue to work at a job that I love (most of the time) I was going to have to quit. I did quit smoking about 4 months ago and I won't go back to it. I didn't go "cold turkey", I took Chantix even though it made me feel nauseous and depressed. It was worth it and I'm very proud that I finally did it. I got absolutely no support at home during the quit cycle and didn't come here for support because I knew it would just make me upset and even more discouraged. I did find a group that gave me positive reinforcement and it helped me more than I can say. If you are truly committed to quitting smoking, you just have to keep trying and go it alone if you have to. Nobody can do it for you.
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Dave-OH
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USA
3961 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  4:03:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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samkinard3
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USA
9 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  4:10:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
onlyme 166: All I asked for from this group was some support , well it seems to me that you don't understand what an addiction is .. unless you are a grateful recovering addict.. as most of us know nicotine is a DRUG!, and the first STEP to recover from active addiction is "the desire to stop using " in my case it is nicotine and I do have the desire and will to stop smoking . some have relapsed this happens in addiction , some quit cold turkey, but.... there is that chance that you can and will relapse.. unless you find the "Support" 'WE' need from this forum... which from your comment ,I could care less what you think... just my opinion.
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Dave-OH
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USA
3961 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  6:18:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually we have a smoke no more program, that is affiliated with COPD Support.

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TINACA
Member

USA
58 Posts

Posted - Dec 20 2011 :  10:38:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have noticed there is not a lot of resources or postings to assist with quitting. What I have noticed is that there a lot of support in managing the disease. You can not expect people to care more than you do about your mortality. You have to have will power. The thought of dying was enough for me. It is tough but I am tougher. What I agree with is some people could be a little kinder in speaking their thoughts. A person who is hurting does not need to be kicked they need to be encouraged.
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valerie
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USA
59 Posts

Posted - Dec 21 2011 :  09:15:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Being a little kinder - I guess that's what I was trying to say. It just seems like every time I tried to get some positive response from a few folks in particular on the "support" board (because they're the ones who respond to almost every post), it was "okay, but that's not good enough - this is the way I did it, therefore it's the right way". People who said they smoked a whole lot longer following diagnosis than I did were slamming me for not quitting immediately - "do as I say, not as I do" or you are stupid. Oh, so I'm walking as much as I can during lunch hours and after work and I'm pretty proud of that - "oh, that's just a stroll, it's not really walking", etc. I know that it's also a form of being supportive to be "tough", but a little kindness along with the toughness really doesn't hurt, does it?

I finally figured out that I was letting a few people I'll never meet discourage me instead of encouraging me. Yes, we share the same diagnosis and now I'm one of the non-smokers, but I will never be able to slam people who are hurting and just want some help not to be so scared. I am so grateful for the good people on COPD Support who are actually supportive without being judgmental.

I hope you don't give up the effort to quit smoking, Sam - you really will feel better! If you fail at first, just keep trying. Yes, it is a powerful addiction but just reach for your own power within and you can do it. Don't be discouraged, I think most of us have tried more than once to quit and it doesn't make you a failure if you don't succeed the first time. It's the last time that counts.....
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samkinard3
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USA
9 Posts

Posted - Dec 21 2011 :  11:51:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you all , this is what I have been looking for, I have a higher power who will help me through this addiction, and with my Higher power all things ARE possible. thank you all again.
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Sam-Tx
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597 Posts

Posted - Dec 21 2011 :  2:29:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Keep coming back, Sam. Don't give up on us unless you give up on quitting. Sometimes the "higher power" still can use a little help from us "lower" powers, so, please keep us posted on your progress.
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gabby
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17 Posts

Posted - Dec 22 2011 :  03:19:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sam I am sorry for some of the responses you got. Certainly a lot of smug people on this board. Valerie I agree with all you've said.

Thankfully I was able to quit the day after diagnose. I had quit several years before and was off them for 4 years when I "fell off the wagon"

Sam never give up trying remember our higher(God for me) loves a trier.
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Ladyvixen
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Posted - Dec 26 2011 :  7:42:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sam- It's really all Mental. I am 27yrs old, and I had been a smoker from age 9 to about a week ago. I do not have COPD(I was misdiagnosed), but it was enough to make me understand that smoking is not all that it's cracked up to be. I was told that I would be lucky to watch my 1yr old daughter go to middle school. I was going to die FROM COPD, my smoking was killing me. However, I do not have lung disease, that's not to say I don't get it in the future, or I die from getting hit by a bus ;)

But smoking really is bad for us, it's obviously a no brainer. For me it was the urge, the desire and the need all together at once that has brought me 8 days of smoke free living, all done cold turkey. The people on the forum have helped me, yes most of them have no sympathy for those suffering like they are(After all we did do it to ourselves)but their ability to quit smoking cold turkey has helped me. If they can do it...surely I can to. Also, reading their stories and their struggles with COPD has given me that much more encouragement to quit smoking. I have 6 children, I am young. I want more kids, but what type of mother would I be if I had to drag around an oxygen tank while trying to play catch with my kids?

I'm not saying people with COPD are bad parents, but it was that one shove off the rock that I needed to quit smoking. YOU have to have a reason, a purpose to quit...or it just wont happen. Whether your reason is for your children, your health, or some other reason. Having a reason to quit helps. Every time I have a craving, I look at my 1yr old daughter and think whats more important? Watching her walk down the isle with her new husband, or watching her cry over my casket?

After 48hrs it's so much easier. It's been 8 days for me and my husband. The only time I have a craving is when I see or smell someone smoking. I quit cold turkey. I also keep lifesaver mints and jolly ranchers on hand just in case I get one of those lingering cravings.
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Higbe33
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USA
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Posted - Feb 02 2012 :  09:57:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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TINACA
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USA
58 Posts

Posted - Feb 26 2012 :  3:15:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sam or Jack, Not sure which one you prefer? Have you had any success with your efforts to quit smoking?
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KimCT
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USA
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Posted - Jul 02 2012 :  12:21:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found for me a quit date and a lot of will power helped but I also used for the first few days the e -cig it looks and feels like a cigarette, a little heavy to feel but it lets you drag on it and it lets moisture out that looks like smoke. I did not order mine with the nicotine I went with the chocolate flavor and spearment flavor no nicotine in it at all. you can order the nicotine but I did not want too I guess it tricked my mind because I have not had a smoke since march 15, 2012.
I no longer use e- cig either it was great and easy to use, but you do have to want to quit!!!
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yolandac43
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USA
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 :  2:43:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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worried son
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USA
41 Posts

Posted - Aug 12 2012 :  10:43:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Trying to quit smoking can be a major pain in the rear, however I have been smoke free for almost 2 years now. I did it kinda of the easy way as I was in the hospital with a peptic ulcer that required major surgery to repair the damage. I had a good 2 week stay so when I got home I didn't have any nicotine left in my system. (and I was on the patch) Most of my problems came to what to do after I ate meals and other times I typically smoked.

Part of my solution was to use a focus and since I had a 9" long scar on my stomach, I used that to keep me from smoking.

Find a focus, something you can look at to keep you from smoking. Be it a friend you want to hang out with, a loved one, a spouse, or anything you really enjoy doing. It IS a matter of will power in the long run, however once you get passed the first 48 to 72 hours, all of the nicotine in your system is gone. After that, your dealing with a habit. A habit you can break.

If life is a bowl of cherries, why do I keep getting only the sour ones?
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Ozone
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USA
8 Posts

Posted - Oct 11 2012 :  3:43:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would agree that it's all mental. The physical is gone, I think, in 3 days. I was a hard core smoker. I saw my best friend die on lung cancer in front of me. That didn't make me quit. I saw my mother in law die of COPD and take her last breath in front of me. That didn't make me quit. It wasn't until I was lying in a hospital getting diagnosed with COPD and my doctor telling me that if I didn't stay quit I wouldn't live to see 60. ONLY THEN have I been able to stay not smoking. 13 weeks (almost 14) now. You can quit, Sam......

Your buddy,
Traci (AKA Ozone)
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